Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/05/1999 01:40 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
March 5, 1999                                                                                                                   
1:40 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 99 - 37, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 37, Side 2.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:40 P.M.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder    Representative G. Davis                                                                                      
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Grussendorf                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde   Representative Foster                                                                                        
Representative Austerman  Representative Kohring                                                                                
Representative J. Davies  Representative Williams                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Moses absent from the meeting.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
Nancy Slagle, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                    
Department of Transportation; Dan Spencer, Chief Budget                                                                         
Analyst, Office of Management and Budget, Office of the                                                                         
Governor;                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
Andree Mcleod, Anchorage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 "An Act making and amending capital, supplemental,                                                                       
and other appropriations, and appropriations to                                                                                 
capitalize funds; ratifying certain expenditures;                                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further                                                                                       
consideration.                                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act making and amending capital, supplemental, and                                                                          
other appropriations, and appropriations to capitalize                                                                          
funds; ratifying certain expenditures; and providing                                                                            
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ANDREE MCLEOD, ANCHORAGE testified via teleconference. She                                                                      
maintained that the Department of Health and Social Services                                                                    
has an accounting problem. She referred to a letter dated                                                                       
11/12/98 from Dana Owens, Office of Management and Budget to                                                                    
Senator Phillips (copy on file). She maintained that the                                                                        
Office of Management and Budget could only account for $380                                                                     
thousand dollars of the $8,051,775 million dollars they                                                                         
received from the Center of Disease Control and Prevention                                                                      
(CDC) for 22 grants to the state of Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder stressed that the House Finance Committee                                                                       
tries to identify needs and how efficient money is being                                                                        
spent.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McLeod suggested that she address the House Finance                                                                         
Subcommittee for the Department of Health and Social                                                                            
Services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault encouraged Ms. McLeod to submit her                                                                         
recommendations to his office so that he could review them.                                                                     
He indicated that he would be willing to discuss her                                                                            
recommendations at a later date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder discussed efforts with the Office of                                                                            
Management and Budget to reduce and prioritize expenditures.                                                                    
The Office of Management and Budget identified $6.4 million                                                                     
dollars that could be saved by "belt tightening". These                                                                         
savings are included in the supplemental request. The                                                                           
Committee is reviewing the supplemental request to determine                                                                    
which requests are absolutely necessary.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault pointed out that the letter from Mr.                                                                        
Owen was sent to Senator Randy Phillips. He questioned if                                                                       
Senator Phillips had had time to review the letter. He noted                                                                    
that there are grant agreements between the CDC and the                                                                         
state Department of Health and Social Services. There is a                                                                      
scope of work that must be done under each grant.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies questioned how Ms. McLeod reached                                                                      
the conclusion that the money is not accounted for. Ms.                                                                         
McLeod responded that the letter from Mr. Owen states that:                                                                     
"Two grants, numbers 13 and 21... are noted only as being                                                                       
received by the state of Alaska. The Department of Health                                                                       
and Social Services administers both grants." She concluded                                                                     
that the state only received funding for these two grants.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies pointed out that there might be a                                                                      
lagtime between when the grant is awarded and the money                                                                         
transferred to the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder observed that there is some discrepancy                                                                         
between state and federal fiscal years, which could account                                                                     
for the discrepancy in accounting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that most of the grants were to                                                                       
two different divisions. In order for the Department of                                                                         
Health and Social Services to receive and expend the funding                                                                    
they must receive authority from the legislature.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McLeod observed that funding is scarce and that                                                                             
everything needs to be looked at.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked for more information on reductions to                                                                     
Northern District roads.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION clarified that the majority of                                                                     
general fund dollars provided to the Department of                                                                              
Transportation and Public Facilities are in maintenance and                                                                     
operation of the highways and airports and the Alaska Marine                                                                    
Highway System. There are set amounts in the department's                                                                       
maintenance and operations budget that must be expended                                                                         
every year. Supplies are ordered months in advance. The                                                                         
department's utility costs are fixed. Most of the                                                                               
department's non-personal service costs are non-                                                                                
discretionary fixed costs. The department's ability to make                                                                     
cuts in the end of the fiscal year is limited due to these                                                                      
fixed costs. She noted that the department has flexibility                                                                      
in its spring schedule of road openings.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault acknowledged that fixed costs reduce the                                                                    
department's ability to make reductions. He questioned if                                                                       
the Governor was aware of which roads would have their                                                                          
opening deferred to later in the year. Ms. Slagle did not                                                                       
know if the Governor knew the identity of the roads that                                                                        
were scheduled for delayed openings. Co-Chair Therriault                                                                        
asked if the Department of Transportation and Public                                                                            
Facilities utilized a list to prioritize the roads and                                                                          
identify savings from particular roads. Ms. Slagle stated                                                                       
that a list was not created, but that they could provide                                                                        
one. She explained that the department would provide                                                                            
information regarding the number of people utilizing a road                                                                     
or the type of industry that uses a road.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the Department of                                                                                  
Transportation and Public Facilities evaluated savings and                                                                      
prioritized the roads. He emphasized that discussion should                                                                     
occur regarding which roads can be delayed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde complimented the Department of                                                                             
Transportation and Public Facilities for their efforts to                                                                       
reduced spending with minimal impact. He observed that some                                                                     
residents prefer not to pay taxes and not to have service                                                                       
provided. He questioned if money should be added back to                                                                        
maintain services.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that three of the roads are in the                                                                        
Nome area, which does pay for services.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman observed that there are state roads                                                                    
in the Kodiak area that are not plowed in the winter.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that the roads in question are                                                                            
normally opened on May 1st. The department proposes to allow                                                                    
the roads to be open when the snow melts.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies questioned what cost is being                                                                          
deferred.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster observed that plugged culverts can                                                                        
lead to road erosion and may cost more then the cost of                                                                         
opening up the drainage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the reductions in service are                                                                          
accepted would they be annualized. Ms. Slagle did not know                                                                      
if the reductions would be annualized.  Representative                                                                          
Foster suggested that if the reductions are annualized that                                                                     
different areas be selected.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN SPENCER, CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                     
BUDGET, OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR clarified that there has not                                                                     
been a decision in regards to annualizing the reduction. He                                                                     
pointed out that the reductions were selected in part                                                                           
because of the lateness in the fiscal year. He observed that                                                                    
if there had been time to plan for the reductions, the                                                                          
department might have made other choices.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder recalled that there were $15 million dollars                                                                    
of unspecified reductions in the Governor's proposed FY00                                                                       
budget. He asked if the reductions in the supplemental would                                                                    
be annualized toward the $15 million dollar savings.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spencer responded that the Administration anticipated                                                                       
working with the Legislature to identify $15 million dollars                                                                    
worth of reductions. He acknowledged that annualizing the                                                                       
reductions identified in the supplemental is an option but                                                                      
emphasized that there are several policy questions. The                                                                         
Administration has not decided to proceed in that manner.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked for additional information regarding                                                                      
the utility and usage of the roads in question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster observed that there would also be                                                                         
reductions to the Alaska Marine Highway System. Ms. Slagle                                                                      
agreed that ferry service would be reduced. She discussed                                                                       
plans to reduce service in order to realize savings. The                                                                        
Columbia would be left in lay-up a couple of weeks longer.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster questioned if expenditures for                                                                            
supplies were at the expense of the Northern District and                                                                       
Alaska Marine Highway System. Ms. Slagle noted that the                                                                         
majority of the budget is committed in the first part of the                                                                    
year for fixed costs. Representative Foster observed that                                                                       
service for May and June is being reduced to pay for the                                                                        
fixed costs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Representative Foster, Ms.                                                                         
Slagle noted that chemicals are used throughout the state.                                                                      
Co-Chair Mulder noted that the department has indicated that                                                                    
the use of calcium chloride and other chemicals would be                                                                        
reduced due to the austerity program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster questioned if the FY99 budget was                                                                         
short-funded. Ms. Slagle noted that the reduction is part of                                                                    
the overall belt tightening that is being requested to                                                                          
reduce the FY99 budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that the Governor asked for a $1                                                                          
million dollar reduction from the Department of                                                                                 
Transportation and Public Facilities after the FY99 budget                                                                      
was approved.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde observed that similar discussions will                                                                     
be necessary to understand the impact of budget reductions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spencer emphasized that there is not such thing as a cut                                                                    
or asperity program without impacts. He emphasized that the                                                                     
attempt is being made to make impacts those that can best be                                                                    
lived with in the short-term and will not worsen the                                                                            
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman stressed the need to set                                                                               
priorities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster observed that ISTEA funding, over the                                                                     
last 11 years, has resulted in over $2 billion dollars of                                                                       
new road construction that the state now maintains.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder referred to disaster funds. He noted that $1                                                                    
million dollars is coming from the federal government for                                                                       
road washouts.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle explained that the Department of Transportation                                                                      
and Public Facilities has submitted a request to the federal                                                                    
Highway Administration for $1,513,800 million dollars as                                                                        
part of the Southeast disaster. This would pay for repair of                                                                    
roads in the Juneau and Haines area. The federal Highway                                                                        
Administration will not pay for $141 thousand dollars of the                                                                    
request. They approved the remaining funds. The payment has                                                                     
been delayed due to a shortage of funds in the Emergency                                                                        
Response Fund. The state cannot receive the federal funds                                                                       
until there is a congressional appropriation to the                                                                             
Emergency Response Fund.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder referred to the request for Perseverance                                                                        
Trail repairs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 99 - 37, Side 2)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf pointed out that the state is                                                                        
liable until the city and borough of Juneau accepts the                                                                         
Perseverance Trail.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that the legislature approved funding                                                                     
for trail repairs in FY99 that was subject to the city                                                                          
taking title to the trail. The Governor deleted this                                                                            
conditional language. Mr. Spencer explained that the court                                                                      
subsequently struck down the conditional language.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster noted that there are reductions in the                                                                    
Northern Region and the Alaska Marine Highway System. He                                                                        
questioned if the million-dollar reduction in the Department                                                                    
of Transportation and Public Facilities is being spread                                                                         
across the state. Ms. Slagle noted that reductions are also                                                                     
occurring in the Central Region. She noted that positions                                                                       
are being held vacant and supplies are being reduced.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster asked if airports would be impacted.                                                                      
Ms. Slagle noted that the international airports are not                                                                        
impacted. The only impact to rural areas would be if                                                                            
vacancies in the Central area were not filled. She observed                                                                     
that there are safety issues that must be met.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster questioned if deferred maintenance and                                                                    
painting would be impacted by the reduction. Ms. Slagle did                                                                     
not know if that area would be impacted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
RECESSED                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was recessed at 2:40 p.m.                                                                                           
HFC 6 3/05/99                                                                                                                   

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